Elaborating on Our 'No Religion or Politics' Rule
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Since I have been trying to make it very clear that political and religious discussions are disallowed here, I understand that there are situations that might call for these kinds of discussions, only without making it apparent that it's got nothing to do with music.

It's hard to break down exactly what would be considered acceptable in a civil environment whenever these subjects are brought up, but there should be a distinction somewhere.

Unfortunately, I'll have to bring up a couple of clear examples of what I find would NOT be acceptable here, if only to prevent ourselves from ending up like almost every other music forum (i.e. drama and circle jerking). Let's say that a deranged musician decides to go on a killing spree. Being that we might have discussions about his works here, it's probably inevitable to bring the subject up.

With that subject in mind, here are two stock Internet comments making it clear that people are getting engaged in a political OR religious discussion:
Quote:We need stronger gun control to prevent another incident like this. I just don't understand what this country's obsession with guns is.
Quote:Obviously, this guy was a gay atheist who blasphemed against God with his unholy music. No wonder he snapped out.
Those two comments above have nothing to do with the musical qualities of said deranged musician who decided to go on a killing spree. Rather, it's just petty squabbling over identity politics. Those comments would be welcomed at another forum or a social media page catering to such views.

The way I see it, if we were to discuss that subject without jumping the gun (no pun intended!), we'd have to make a fair compromise to avoid drawing blood. A better way to kinda deflect from that trap is to bring up how troubled his life was, or that he was choosing to hang out with the wrong crowd. No need to talk about irrelevant matters here.

Another subject is when a band can't visit a country due to visa issues. Again, it's a shitty situation, but immediately wanting to talk shit about a politician or whoever leads the country that's barring musicians from entrance will ONLY lead to political circle jerking.

Once again, I'm NOT implying that people shouldn't feel free to talk about what's on their mind. I get that, but if you are someone who likes to look at things rationally, regardless of ideology, consider the fact that your posts are readable by thousands of people worldwide -- something you say about a politician or a religious entity might cause one's blood to boil, leading to an angry response. I want to prevent that shit at all costs.

The day when people can freely express themselves without feeling like they have to walk around eggshells (this is a worldwide problem) is the day when we may freely discuss politics and religion here. But, at the end of the day, this is just a music forum, and it's going to remain that way.

I just wanted to make this completely clear. I'm not locking this thread, since I value helpful feedback on the betterment of this place.
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#2
I think these are good rules of thumb to go by.
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#3
I feel that as time goes on and our core tightens, we'll have to do our best to make this place hospitable towards newcomers. When you make a public post, it's the equivalent to writing on a billboard. Whatever you say isn't meant to be read only by the person that you're responding to (use private messages or e-mails for that) -- the conversation is archived to be read by anyone who has permission to access it, namely the general public itself.

This sort of thing had to be discussed at some point, since the Internet isn't the same as it was two decades ago, when it didn't necessarily cater to every random person. Social media and the rise of self-entitled "individuals" have made it near-impossible to discuss "touchy subjects" in a civil, structural way. I still believe that with our community here, we're a lot better than that, but I just wanted to explain what I mean by not discussing "touchy subjects".
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#4
Well when japanese bands get denied US visas, IT IS a political issue.

I never heard about a japanese musican who wasn't allowed to enter the Schengenarea but it's not the first time it's an issue in the USA.

So when the next news about any visa issues come out, you won't allow any discussion about the reason?

That's censorship imho.
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#5
No, he's saying that in the course of discussing it, to not use it as an opportunity to trash one politician or another.
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(07-11-2019, 10:57 AM)bhg70 Wrote: No, he's saying that in the course of discussing it, to not use it as an opportunity to trash one politician or another.

If this person is responsible for stricter visa rules why not shame him?
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#7
Because that would just lead to political discussions, and those discussions never end well.

Loudness had visa troubles when they tried coming here in recent years. People were up in arms and making it all about politics. Instead, someone bringing them here screwed up more than once.
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Also, it's not always about visa rules. It could be about anything. Differing opinions about music are one thing. Politics and religion get . . . messy.
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(07-11-2019, 11:07 AM)Painkiller Wrote: Because that would just lead to political discussions, and those discussions never end well.

How many political discussions we had on the forum?

0 ?
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#10
We've had a few that the mods had to step in and get back on track. Not a large number, no, but not zero.
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